The Outer Worlds Canid's Cradle Quest Guide - should you help MSI or the Iconoclasts? (2024)

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You might have found the information you’re looking for, but things are about to get a whole lot more complicated in The Outer Worlds. Both MSI and the militant Iconoclasts want the powerful UDL tech that crash-landed on Monarch, and it’s up to you to decide who gets it. Here’s how to complete the Canid’s Cradle quest with a peaceful resolution.

It is possible to broker a peace deal between MSI and the Iconoclasts, but that doesn’t mean that no one gets hurt. However you will get a trophy/ achievement for your trouble on console.

The outcome of this quest affects the ending that you see at the conclusion of The Outer Worlds, so choose wisely.

There aren’t that many hard requirements to get the best outcome from the Canid’s Cradle quest though. You will need your Persuade or Inspiration skill to be at level 55, and one of your dialogue skills (that’s lie, intimidate or persuade) at level 35 to talk everyone down.

Canid’s Cradle quest guide

Following the summation of the Radio Free Monarch quest, you’ll see a UDL gunship fall out of the sky and crash-land in the west of Monarch.

The best way to get to the quest marker is to travel to the Terra One Publications fast travel point and head south through the sulphur pits to get to where you need to be.

Once you reach the crash site you will unlock a new fast travel point, but head on inside the broken windshield and use the terminal to open the sealed door behind you.

Print yourself off a keycard and you’ll be able to open the doors inside the ship. Climb the yellow ladder to get deeper into the crashed vessel and open a second door.

When you can see the targeting module, pull both levers to open its enclosure and stuff it in your backpack.

Now you’re presented with a choice: hand the module over to Sanjar and MSI, or Graham’s Iconoclasts.

Canid’s Cradle - Should you side with MSI or the Iconoclasts?

Forging peace between Monarch’s corpos and Iconoclasts is one of the major events that figures in The Outer World’s best ending, and is a satisfying conclusion for the quest.

To achieve this outcome, you need to head to Stellar Bay and talk to Sanjar.

Ask him why he needs the module for some context, then ask him if he could work with the Iconoclasts.

Sanjar will resist, but bring up that you saw his employee review during the events of the Radio Free Monarch quest and that he needs someone with the big picture to work with.

Suggest Zora as a suitable partner and he’ll agree to talk if she leads the Iconoclasts - but only if he can see her employee report first.

To grab this info head down to Cascadia in the south of Monarch. It’s near where the Abandoned Lab Science Weapon from the Void is hidden.

Follow the quest marker to the Rizzo office, then go around the back of the building to get in without picking a lock. Continue following the marker inside and you will find a terminal in a back office.

Check inside the safe next to the terminal to find the unique SugarOps helmet, which boosts N-Ray and Plasma damage.

View Zora’s record by pressing “view files” then export it to an external datapad.

Now return to Sanjar, show him the report, and accept his offer of a meeting.

Getting Zora to agree

Head to Amber Heights and speak to Zora in the side-building.

To get her to talk you have to complete her side quest “Sucker Bait”. It’s a simple task of following the quest markers, killing a few enemies, and searching an abandoned outpost.

While you’re there make sure you search the body on the floor to grab another unique helmet: “Hemlock’s Eyepatch”.

With the data in hand, return to Zora and she’ll ask for a while to take in the revelation.

You can go and speak to Graham for some further context if you like, but go to the Amber Heights gate and transition to the Monarch wasteland, then turn straight back around and go back into Amber Heights.

Zora will have changed positions to the main Iconoclast command building and will enter into conversation with you as soon as you enter.

Reassure her that you’re making the right choice and follow Zora up the stairs. Enter the conversation with Graham and inform him that Zora’s taking over the reins.

Preach that she’s got the best interests of the Iconoclasts at heart and Graham is acting selfishly in response to his past mistakes - this conversation generally ends violently.

Once that’s done, speak to Zora and ask her to join forces with Sanjar. She’ll refuse initially, but this is where your Persuade 55 or Inspiration 55 comes in. If you’re short on Persuade, bring Pavarti and Felix as followers.

Listening to reason, Zora agrees to meet to the south of Stellar Bay.

Travel to the ruins fast travel point and oversee the summit.

Peace between MSI and the Iconoclasts

At the church stand between the two leaders and speak to them in turn. Tell Sanjar to “scale it back”, then suggest that the Iconoclasts support Stellar Bay’s supply lines to make up for the resources they’d use.

This requires a Persuade or Intimidate check of level 35 to push through, but is accepted.

Suggest that Sanjar didn’t know, then tell him that you found damning correspondence. Scold Zora to “take it back a notch”, then acknowledge the compromise.

You’ll not only get the trophy for brokering a deal, but in excess of 2,000 bits and a unique melee weapon “Soft Speaker” - which buffs your Intimidate skill - for your trouble.

The Outer Worlds Canid's Cradle Quest Guide - should you help MSI or the Iconoclasts? (2024)

FAQs

The Outer Worlds Canid's Cradle Quest Guide - should you help MSI or the Iconoclasts? ›

For the best outcome, you want to be on good terms with both Sanjar Nandi of the MSI in Stellar Bay and Graham Bryant of the Iconoclasts in Amber Heights. Do side quests, tasks, and just generally help out everyone in those two towns.

Is it better to side with iconoclasts or MSI? ›

Persuading both factions to get along is – as you'd expect – the optimal outcome, but if you really dislike either MSI or the Iconoclasts, now you know what the rewards are. You'll also get either faction's help during the final mission, and if you make them negotiate, they'll both help you out!

Is it better to give the module to Graham or Sanjar? ›

To get the third "peace option" route you'll need to give the Module to Graham, then work with Zora to overthrow him and broker peace with Sanjar in The Outer Worlds. The best outcome when it comes to who to give the Module to in The Outer Worlds starts by you speaking with Sanjar and ask to make peace.

How to negotiate peace between MSI and Iconoclasts? ›

Peace between MSI and the Iconoclasts

Tell Sanjar to “scale it back”, then suggest that the Iconoclasts support Stellar Bay's supply lines to make up for the resources they'd use. This requires a Persuade or Intimidate check of level 35 to push through, but is accepted.

How to get Sanjar and Zora to work together? ›

To do this, the player has to prove to Sanjar that Zora has reputable work behind her. The player must read a terminal in Cascadia to have proof of Zora's past work. Sanjar will be satisfied with working with Zora then, but Zora must be in control of the Iconoclasts to make any decisions in the first place.

Are the Iconoclasts good? ›

Iconoclasts' combination of clever Metroid-inspired design and lush art offers more than enough incentive to stick with it, even when the ambitious plot doesn't always connect. This is a strange, complex game that – refreshingly – doesn't play quite like any other work in the genre.

Who should I give the cantankerous canid to? ›

Handing over the module to either group is an easy way to end the side quest: Give the Module to Sanjar of the MSI to side with the corporate(ish) side. Give the Module to Graham or Zora of the Iconoclasts to side with the rebellious group.

Can you save Royal in Iconoclasts? ›

Can you save royal? Sadly, no. You have to leave him behind on the moon to die.

Should I delete a Sanjars review? ›

Sanjar will give an optional objective to delete his poor review records for extra XP which you can lie to him about doing if you don't want to have to go back. As long as you read the review before you delete it, you can use your knowledge of it to convince him.

How to get the good word "outer worlds"? ›

5 The Good Word

It can also Stagger opponents with each hit. It's best at midrange, but precise players can hit targets at up to 200 meters away. The weapon is only obtainable by siding with the Iconoclasts during the Canid's Cradle quest.

Can you romance Outer Worlds? ›

No Romance in The Outer Worlds

Aside from occasionally being able to flirt with some of the stranger's crew members, there isn't any romance that can be had between the player and any characters, though they can embark on NPC-specific side quests. There are, however, some meaningful relationships in The Outer Worlds.

What is the max level in the outer worlds? ›

The most significant gameplay enhancement comes in the form of a new level cap of 99. With the DLC installed, the original Outer Worlds had a level cap of 36, which doesn't sound like much, but was perfectly adequate for an RPG that isn't very long by RPG standards.

How do you save Zora's team? ›

Enter Terra One Publications and repair the printing press there. The survivors from Zora's team refuse to leave unless they can get their wounded comrades back on their feet. To do that, they need to retrieve a trauma kit from their fallen medic. The printing press is operational.

Is it possible to save royal iconoclasts? ›

Can you save royal? Sadly, no. You have to leave him behind on the moon to die.

How do you get the iconoclast ending? ›

If you choose to take down The Empress and this terrifying place, then you'll have to do some puzzle-solving. Similar to the Provider ending, exit the nursery with Amari and the Leyden Jar. Using the branches moving from the ground as cover, follow the wall on your left towards the glowing doorway.

How to save the van noys? ›

Their medic's corpse can be found north of the building. It is guarded by raptidons. Take the Iconoclast Trauma Kit from the corpse and return it to May Van Noy. Helping the Van Noys is an optional objective, but if you don't Zora won't give you Sucker Bait quest.

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